Anyone do long range testing with FPVLR antennas yet ??

[FPVLR]

Hey guys ..
I'm planning on doing a long range flight tomorrow or Tuesday and had a question. .
I've heard 300 feet is a good elevation for max range ..does this sound rite??
How about speed. . If you fly at 30 mph you will take 8 mins to reach 4 miles so if you get 16 minutes out of a battery that would be the max..
but what if you fly at 40 mph..would you use more battery power going faster ?? Or would it equal out??
Turbo..

Actually best range on inspire is achieved at an insane and illegal altitude of 1500ft.

 

[FPVLR]

Just curious... Where will all the long distance tests take place?

Anyone doing distance testing should not post their location, as some forum members could report this. Keep your locations and identities and videos private and password protected. CYOB

 

[kevinlutch]

Fpvlr for the inspire now? As if this wasn't already so addictive. Can't wait to see the photos.

 

[sirnikolas]

Anyone doing distance testing should not post their location, as some forum members could report this. Keep your locations and identities and videos private and password protected. CYOB

JeeeeeZ! Almost 14 kilometers!

 

[InspiredOne]

Actually best range on inspire is achieved at an insane and illegal altitude of 1500ft.

LOL -- Not too paranoid are you?

 

[InspiredOne]

Anyone doing distance testing should not post their location, as some forum members could report this. Keep your locations and identities and videos private and password protected. CYOB

As I have reflected on your reply: These "tests" are exactly the kind of behavior that could get us all grounded. Just remember, if this happens, you have no one to blame but yourselves (those who feel the rules and common sense do not apply to them).

You, FPVLR, of all people, should be promoting responsible flying. If you fear that your flying will get you in trouble with the law, then you shouldn't be flying. Period!

Just one person's opinion.

 

[Kilrah]

You, FPVLR, of all people, should be promoting responsible flying. If you fear that your flying will get you in trouble with the law, then you shouldn't be flying. Period!

He is making a business selling gear of which the main purpose/advertising is facilitating those inappropriate/illegal actiivties, with equipment that is now illegal to use (you can't replace the antennas on a certified device that does not have a user-accessible connector without voiding FCC compliance, you can't use a higher gain antenna than what's supplied on anything that transmits, etc). If he listened to you he should close his business, so don't expect him to

 

[crashburn]

He is making a business selling gear of which the main purpose/advertising is facilitating those inappropriate/illegal actiivties, with equipment that is now illegal to use (you can't replace the antennas on a certified device that does not have a user-accessible connector without voiding FCC compliance, you can't use a higher gain antenna than what's supplied on anything that transmits, etc). If he listened to you he should close his business, so don't expect him to

I did not get his antenna mod for longer illegal flights, only to make my connection more stable and safer. What he's doing is no different than manufacturers legally selling 200mph cars, motorcycles, guns, etc, or legal prescription drugs. Also, the standard antennas enable you to already fly "illegally" if you want, just like any car can be driven faster than posted speed limits.

 

[InspiredOne]

He is making a business selling gear of which the main purpose/advertising is facilitating those inappropriate/illegal actiivties, with equipment that is now illegal to use (you can't replace the antennas on a certified device that does not have a user-accessible connector without voiding FCC compliance, you can't use a higher gain antenna than what's supplied on anything that transmits, etc). If he listened to you he should close his business, so don't expect him to

No, I won't. I can't hold my breath that long.

 

[InspiredOne]

I did not get his antenna mod for longer illegal flights, only to make my connection more stable and safer. What he's doing is no different than manufacturers legally selling 200mph cars, motorcycles, guns, etc, or legal prescription drugs. Also, the standard antennas enable you to already fly "illegally" if you want, just like any car can be driven faster than posted speed limits.

Good for you! But he is promoting illegal behavior: "Anyone doing distance testing should not post their location, as some forum members could report this. Keep your locations and identities and videos private and password protected. CYOB"

 

[crashburn]

Good for you! But he is promoting illegal behavior: "Anyone doing distance testing should not post their location, as some forum members could report this. Keep your locations and identities and videos private and password protected. CYOB"

I agree to an extent…. I disagree that flying long distance, contrary to FCC proposed or existing rules, ie beyond los, is per se illegal at this time in the USA. Nobody is going to be prosecuted in the USA for flying beyond los at this time. I do not see anything wrong with publishing proof of long distance flights in the USA, if not risky to the general population below. There's no difference in what he's doing, than when I bought my last Corvette and it was advertised to go 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds, or taking delivery of my BMW at the factory in Greenville and then they take you to their test track and encourage you to drive it to the limits of braking in the turns, etc., which I think would be considered illegal reckless driving on a public road.

 

[InspiredOne]

I agree to an extent…. I disagree that flying long distance, contrary to FCC proposed or existing rules, ie beyond los, is not per se illegal at this time in the USA. Nobody us going to be prosecuted in the USA for flying beyond los at this time. I do not see anything wrong with publishing proof of long distance flights in the USA, if not risky to the general population below. There's no difference in what he's doing, than when I bought my last Corvette and it was advertised to go 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds, or taking delivery of my BMW at the factory in Greenville and then they take you to their test track and encourage you to drive it to the limits of braking in the turns, etc., which I think would be considered illegal reckless driving on a public road.

1. Flying long distances may not be illegal at this time, but it is stupid. Do you really like to gamble that much?
2. Somebody will be prosecuted for flying beyond LOS when his heli crashes and destroys property, does bodily injury, or worse, kills someone. Are your pockets really that deep?
3. Now, you're comparing apples to oranges. He isn't offering anyone a closed test course over which to test their copters. He's telling people to test them and keep the location and videos secret. Why? Because he knows it could get them (and him) into trouble.

This is all of the mindset that the sin is not in doing something wrong, the sin is in getting caught. Like Will Rogers used to say, "Common sense isn't too common any more." I would add that today it appears to be nonexistent.

 

[crashburn]

1. Flying long distances may not be illegal at this time, but it is stupid. Do you really like to gamble that much?
2. Somebody will be prosecuted for flying beyond LOS when his heli crashes and destroys property, does bodily injury, or worse, kills someone. Are your pockets really that deep?
3. Now, you're comparing apples to oranges. He isn't offering anyone a closed test course over which to test their copters. He's telling people to test them and keep the location and videos secret. Why? Because he knows it could get them (and him) into trouble.

This is all of the mindset that the sin is not in doing something wrong, the sin is in getting caught. Like Will Rogers used to say, "Common sense isn't too common any more." I would add that today it appears to be nonexistent.

I personally agree with you. But I do not condemn anybody else that wants to fly long distance because I do not think its illegal per se or a sin. Just like when I ride my motorcycle, I always wear a helmet even though here in SC it's not illegal to not wear one.

 

[InspiredOne]

I personally agree with you. But I do not condemn anybody else that wants to fly long distance because I do not think its illegal per se or a sin. Just like when I ride my motorcycle, I always wear a helmet even though here in SC it's not illegal to not wear one.

No, not a "sin" in the Bibical sense.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you do see the inherent danger in flying a six and a half pound quad over your neighbors' homes as far as you can go, just because you have that capability. Yet, you're not willing, being aware of the inherent danger, to speak out against it and encourage others to seriously consider the consequences and fly more responsibly. Is that an accurate interpretation of your stance?

Have we regressed so much that we must (like children) have someone (like government) dictate to us what is and isn't right and/or acceptable? What's so bad about being self-governing, responsible, accounbtable adults?

 

[The Editor]

I did not get his antenna mod for longer illegal flights, only to make my connection more stable and safer. What he's doing is no different than manufacturers legally selling 200mph cars, motorcycles, guns, etc, or legal prescription drugs. Also, the standard antennas enable you to already fly "illegally" if you want, just like any car can be driven faster than posted speed limits.

But unfortunately, by getting these illegal antennas fitted as soon as you turn on your transmitter you are then breaking the law, unlike a 200mph car where you have the option to drive over the speed limit or not.
These high gain antennas will alter the EIRP into the ether and you then fall foul of FCC regulations with the associated penalties attached.

 

[crashburn]

No, not a "sin" in the Bibical sense.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you do see the inherent danger in flying a six and a half pound quad over your neighbors' homes as far as you can go, just because you have that capability. Yet, you're not willing, being aware of the inherent danger, to speak out against it and encourage others to seriously consider the consequences and fly more responsibly. Is that an accurate interpretation of your stance?

Have we regressed so much that we must (like children) have someone (like government) dictate to us what is and isn't right and/or acceptable? What's so bad about being self-governing, responsible, accounbtable adults?

No, I said its ok, "if not risky to the general population below". I don't see anything wrong with long distance flights if done responsibly, like over open water, desolate areas, etc. Sorry if I've been ambiguous…

 

[InspiredOne]

OK, I understand. Thanks for the clarification!

 

[crashburn]

But unfortunately, by getting these illegal antennas fitted as soon as you turn on your transmitter you are then breaking the law, unlike a 200mph car where you have the option to drive over the speed limit or not.
These high gain antennas will alter the EIRP into the ether and you then fall foul of FCC regulations with the associated penalties attached.

I do not know whether or not Tony's mods would increase the output so that the antennas would be illegal, nor do I have the technical knowledge to determine it. I wish you could somehow calculate his changes to see if his mods exceed the fcc limits. Based on my trial flights, although the results are more stable, I don't think the mods are so extreme that it would make them fcc illegal, but it would be good to know. Even so, if I'm flying in areas so as not to interfere with other 2.4 and other radio transmissions, doesn't this minimize any fcc concern? I respect your technical expertise in this area, but Tony's mods shouldn't be immediately judged illegal without further evidence. Unless a mere modification makes it illegal, which I think is UnAmerican.

 

[johnmont250]

im not really into long distance, but I can see the use for a more stable signal in a dirty emi environment.

 

[catware]

His modifications do not increase the power output of the antennas whatsoever -- they simply reshape the waveform so it is more efficient in some directions, and less efficient in others. It's a give and a take. With the new antennas you get twice the reception in front of you, and half the reception behind you.

I believe people are referring to FCC rule 04-165, issued July 12, 2004, which has some substantial changes for devices that use unlicensed spectrum, most significantly Wi-Fi. It is against that regulation to replace ANY antenna on any consumer device, whether there is a "user-accessible connector" or not. You are legally not allowed to replace any antennas on a wireless WiFi router you buy, walkie-talkies, etc. Manufacturers can SELL them legally, you just can't (legally) replace existing ones on your equipment without recertification. Bear in mind that there have been approximately zero prosecutions for the use of aftermarket antennas on home or business systems. The people on this thread referring to these mods as "illegal antennas" might as well also go on the WiFi forums and start posting around there about how illegal antenna modifications are.

It is ironic that the first post in this thread asked for no trolls on this topic, and now this thread is full of trolls.