T600-D FCC####1410 vs, T601 FCC####1510

[curso88]

Hi Cursso88,

I didn't know that there is an dedicated shop for Europe, i bought it on the site Official DJI Online Store | DJI Store

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I just removed some parts of the serial number and other (maybe) order related personal data.

Chris

EDIT: typo removed

Thanks Chris

You living in Europe? I from Spain and own sellers have in stock the real V2.0 but with the anomaly of grid pattern in the arms, not Camo

 

[unyks]

Thanks Chris

You living in Europe? I from Spain and own sellers have in stock the real V2.0 but with the anomaly of grid pattern in the arms, not Camo

Correct, Stuttgart (Germany).

Chris

 

[Mad_angler1]

Thanks Chris

You living in Europe? I from Spain and own sellers have in stock the real V2.0 but with the anomaly of grid pattern in the arms, not Camo

They are all real V2

Arm carbon is just what DJI has in stock

this is getting silly, if it's V2 on the label it's a REAL v2

 

[MrDRC]

one side of the plane to the other to believe it's true but that's what's been posted in this thread , my post is what the accusations are and how silly they are .

Again people are misinterpreting the FCC submission, Contact them, phone them, email them. I have, the information I was given is the V2 is in the name and notes, it's not relevant to the final paperwork for the FCC number.

They can submit it with one name and sell it as another with in reason, if they changed it to something other than inspire then it would have to be resubmitted

The only relevant information is

Model number =T600 and FCC ID that matched that Model

So
T600 = 1410 & T601 =1510,

they must change the model number if they change the FCC as that's required.

DJI could call it the V4 tomorrow and ship it with the older radio and would not have to re submit as long as it's with FCC 1410 and T600 model.

The Name V2 is not relevant to the FCC submission, it's marketing that's it.

DJI can call it the Inspire 1 Pro and not resubmit, call it the Inspire 1 Pro Black edition and not resubmit, See where this is going.

DJI have called its the V2, if it has V2 on the name plate it's a V2 end of.

The Radio change has nothing to do with the V2 , the P3 has had 3 radio changes and 3 model number changes as well, no fuss was made over that, you guys can keep making stuff up like LB 2 and have models but it's all just assumptions and lies.

There may be some work on the new series of the Xfiles you guys would make great screen writers.

Sorry but I have called them and you are misrepresenting the situation. If you did call you would know they never categorically state what you claim. You must file a complaint under "Unauthorized Equipment" to have it process to their investigation arm, which you can not call or email or talk to. Even if you file a complaint they do not resolve individual complaints or give the consumer any kind of status report. The consumer specialist I talked to was adamant most complaints they get should be directed to the FTC and disputed under "Deceptive Business Practices" but she was very careful not to make blanket authoritative statements. Both arms of enforcement will respond via email with a reference # but you will never be notified by the FCC of an outcome and "might" hear something from the FTC.

For clarity purposes, part of what you are saying about naming is correct. The FCC is only concerned about transmission in the public frequency domain. DJI can take a T-600 change the motors, gimbal and camera and call it a Pro or whatever. None of those improvements change the frequency and/or power transmissions of a T-600. However, they are not calling a Pro X5, X5R, RAW or Black Edition's a V2 anywhere in their specs. They dont even mention T-601 on their sale site but its talked about in their forums by their own employees.

I would encourage anyone who is stuck with a 1410 that was sold as a V2.0 to file online complaints.

FCC Complaints

Company - FTC Complaint Assistant

Fortunately I have not been damaged by DJI's sales practice and dont really have a legitimate case to file a complaint but I went ahead and did so anyway and got a reference # from both. Not that it will do any good but the facts still remain that DJI certified 2 versions of Inspire with the FCC. V1 as T-600 and V2 as T-601. Thats not debatable in any way whatsoever.

Do you or anyone else really believe that DJI certified new hardware with a T-601 for no reason? Do you or anyone else believe what DJI-TIM, DJI-Ken and other reps on their own forums say that 1410 and 1510 are the exact same with a different label? Surely not. What about all the RMA's discussed on their own forums where they exchanged T-600 for T-601? B&H changed their product description for crying out loud due to this issue.

We've all gone around the block but maybe we might want to start in a new direction and theorize why DJI sought approval for a more powerful transmitter in the T-601 and what other changes occurred with their control boards in the 2 versions. That might produce more substantive discussion. Documented A/B test results would be fabulous for someone with both versions but there have been none that I can find.

We all run the risk of our products being quickly dated in this evolving technology. Im a guy who plunged into a Vision Plus late 2013 after fiddling with RC AC's for a number of years only to have the next version released within, what was it 90 days..early 2014 sometime? I wasnt happy but it didnt stop me from buying the + version, 2 P3's and now an Osmo and Inspire. Its the same risk for those who want the latest and greatest processors, video cards and now PCI-E SSD's. Adopt early and you will pay more and become dated quickly with new releases. There is a certain risk/reward curve for being cutting edge and each of us has the choice to adopt and pay the price or not.

Oh, I also dont watch the xfiles even though I have heard of it. That kind of TV programming doesnt interest me. The "who done it" stuff like CSI isnt part of my normal TV viewing habits which are minimal anyway. Sounds like xfiles is similar so, no thanks.

 

[___1___]

Hey Guys, B&H is creating two SKU's so you can tell the 600's from the 601's. This should be live Monday the latest. It may even be live by 1pm EST

 

[curso88]

Hey Guys, B&H is creating two SKU's so you can tell the 600's from the 601's. This should be live Monday the latest. It may even be live by 1pm EST

Hello

That did you mean?

Regards

 

[curso88]

Sorry but I have called them and you are misrepresenting the situation. If you did call you would know they never categorically state what you claim. You must file a complaint under "Unauthorized Equipment" to have it process to their investigation arm, which you can not call or email or talk to. Even if you file a complaint they do not resolve individual complaints or give the consumer any kind of status report. The consumer specialist I talked to was adamant most complaints they get should be directed to the FTC and disputed under "Deceptive Business Practices" but she was very careful not to make blanket authoritative statements. Both arms of enforcement will respond via email with a reference # but you will never be notified by the FCC of an outcome and "might" hear something from the FTC.

For clarity purposes, part of what you are saying about naming is correct. The FCC is only concerned about transmission in the public frequency domain. DJI can take a T-600 change the motors, gimbal and camera and call it a Pro or whatever. None of those improvements change the frequency and/or power transmissions of a T-600. However, they are not calling a Pro X5, X5R, RAW or Black Edition's a V2 anywhere in their specs. They dont even mention T-601 on their sale site but its talked about in their forums by their own employees.

I would encourage anyone who is stuck with a 1410 that was sold as a V2.0 to file online complaints.

FCC Complaints

Company - FTC Complaint Assistant

Fortunately I have not been damaged by DJI's sales practice and dont really have a legitimate case to file a complaint but I went ahead and did so anyway and got a reference # from both. Not that it will do any good but the facts still remain that DJI certified 2 versions of Inspire with the FCC. V1 as T-600 and V2 as T-601. Thats not debatable in any way whatsoever.

Do you or anyone else really believe that DJI certified new hardware with a T-601 for no reason? Do you or anyone else believe what DJI-TIM, DJI-Ken and other reps on their own forums say that 1410 and 1510 are the exact same with a different label? Surely not. What about all the RMA's discussed on their own forums where they exchanged T-600 for T-601? B&H changed their product description for crying out loud due to this issue.

We've all gone around the block but maybe we might want to start in a new direction and theorize why DJI sought approval for a more powerful transmitter in the T-601 and what other changes occurred with their control boards in the 2 versions. That might produce more substantive discussion. Documented A/B test results would be fabulous for someone with both versions but there have been none that I can find.

We all run the risk of our products being quickly dated in this evolving technology. Im a guy who plunged into a Vision Plus late 2013 after fiddling with RC AC's for a number of years only to have the next version released within, what was it 90 days..early 2014 sometime? I wasnt happy but it didnt stop me from buying the + version, 2 P3's and now an Osmo and Inspire. Its the same risk for those who want the latest and greatest processors, video cards and now PCI-E SSD's. Adopt early and you will pay more and become dated quickly with new releases. There is a certain risk/reward curve for being cutting edge and each of us has the choice to adopt and pay the price or not.

Oh, I also dont watch the xfiles even though I have heard of it. That kind of TV programming doesnt interest me. The "who done it" stuff like CSI isnt part of my normal TV viewing habits which are minimal anyway. Sounds like xfiles is similar so, no thanks.

It is illegal to label a product with an incorrect FCC. If the FCC label indicates that the product may emit X mW in a specific frequency range and this profuct is limited by hardware because have a old TX the sale is a deceptive trade practice.

 

[MrDRC]

Hey Guys, B&H is creating two SKU's so you can tell the 600's from the 601's. This should be live Monday the latest. It may even be live by 1pm EST

I guess things have changed quickly at B & H because as of 2 weeks ago today they were unwilling to open the shipping boxes from DJI. You can not depend on the QC stamp and there is nothing on the box identifying the model. Maybe they got a new shipment and know they are T-601's but the only way to be 100% sure is by cutting the outside yellow shipping bands and look inside for the FCC label. B&H is closed now and doesnt re-open until Sunday but I'm going to shoot an email to the returns manager. He's been really great to deal with. Also, a B&H rep was posting on another forum about this issue and promised to address it with someone who received a T-600 from them. They have definitely been hearing about it which might have caused them to issue separate SKU's.

It is illegal to label a product with an incorrect FCC. If the FCC label indicates that the product may emit X mW in a specific frequency range and this product is limited by hardware because have a old TX the sale is a deceptive trade practice.

Hence why the FCC consumer specialist was more interested in sending me to the FTC to file a complaint under deceptive practices. Government bureaucracy at its finest.

 

[Mad_angler1]

It is illegal to label a product with an incorrect FCC. If the FCC label indicates that the product may emit X mW in a specific frequency range and this profuct is limited by hardware because have a old TX the sale is a deceptive trade practice.

Not sure what you mean by this there is absolutely no evidence to suggest either outputs more than its certified too

Of for why the change .

I said before DJI have certified several models of the P3 over its life, any changes to the radio result in them having to do it, as for why it's as simple often as a component change. Yes they have now chosen to go to the full power limit, why they did not initially at launch I don't know, there are technical reasons why in the EU the P3 is at 16dbm and not at full 20dbm as its not full FASST so have to be limited so things can affect the final output.

I suspect this was a change in supplier, possibly new radio chipset and it's capable of full legal output over the previous one.
Retooling for PCB manufacture costs money and they would only have done if they absolutely had to.

A proper discussion over the actual differences on output and range is exactly what we should be doing, all this talks of modified/refurbished craft and not true V2 needs to be ended and it's just not true or the range spec talk as that affect other craft with out increase, you can't ignore this fact.

On the FCC talk if you feel they have breached then complain, Iv been assured they are in full compliance.

If it says V2 it's a V2, that's new motors and gimbal plate.

There are 2 models of the I1 from a technical standpoint

T600 and T601


The interesting thing is no one person in a year made any noise over the P3 changes but the inspire ones have gone crazy.

 

[Kevin Hancox]

It is actually quite funny reading all of this, as you are in fact buying what they advertise, this is a screen grab from the current website, which clearly shows T600 on both the Inspire and Pro versions... So unless you have an advert or other that gives different specs, then you are actually getting what you paid for... If you get a T601, then good for you, but for everyone else, it is what it is, and very unlikely you would get anywhere as you got what you paid for...!

 

[damoncooper]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[Mad_angler1]

Just remember EU is limited to 20dbi regardless of model.

In fact should be 16dbi for the craft and 20dbi for the RC.

Craft is limited to 16dbi since the new EU regs came in Early 2015,
As the craft does not fully comply with FHSS as video is not constantly channel hopping so gets a reduced output accordingly under the new regs, originally the Inspire was not affected by this as was released before these changes came into affect but new models are(P3 is and the 1510 would be)

This is law so regardless on model EU customers will see no difference in output between them , that would be why the EU response says the output is the same.


EU customers have been living with a far reduced output for the last 12 months with out issues, yes It may make a doferance in some environments but unless it was from 250mw to 25w your not going to be doubling the distance, Iv gone from 100w to a KW and pushed that up a 18ft yagi on SSB at 27mhz and not doubled my range( sadly)

More power does not guarantee range especially with digital signals, power may help with BER/CNR though.

The only true test would be to be able to set both up a fixed distance with the ability to decode the video stream and measure C/N ratio and BER and see how the actual digital stream looks.

Interesting though I wonder if DJI intend to drop the 1510 output back down to the same as the 1410, simple FW change would do it and would not be a compliance issue dropping I don't believe.

 

[damoncooper]

Aside from EU regulations and LOS arguments, I find it noteworthy that:

DJI claims the T601 does not exist.

DJI claims to a customer the difference in power output between T601 and T600 will be "fixed" in a coming FW update

DJI has throughly scrubbed and reference to "T601" from their website and wiki.

Customers have in their possession models labeled T601.

Customer tests with T601 and T600 on FW 1.4 show a demonstrable difference in power output and signal penetration.

I've asked DJI council Brendan Schulman for comment but haven't heard anything back yet.

 

[Mad_angler1]

I'm a little surprised at the 0.6 mile of the standard i1

Can go 5x that with a P3 in EU.

But it's all down to conditions on the day.

If you have multiple Independent reports I suspect it will get a little more even Stevens.

 

[ianwood]

Customer tests with T601 and T600 on FW 1.4 show a demonstrable difference in power output and signal penetration.

I've been looking for this. Links? Are these side by side tests or anecdotal observations?

 

[curso88]

Aside from EU regulations and LOS arguments, I find it noteworthy that:

DJI claims the T601 does not exist.

DJI claims to a customer the difference in power output between T601 and T600 will be "fixed" in a coming FW update

DJI has throughly scrubbed and reference to "T601" from their website and wiki.

Customers have in their possession models labeled T601.

Customer tests with T601 and T600 on FW 1.4 show a demonstrable difference in power output and signal penetration.

I've asked DJI council Brendan Schulman for comment but haven't heard anything back yet.

 

[MrDRC]

I've been looking for this. Links? Are these side by side tests or anecdotal observations?

Bingo! I've also been searching for true A/B testing but anecdotal accounts like these need documentation of all flight parameters. Further, there should be some visual evidence to back up their test results. It wouldn't surprise me if their tests results are accurate but without complete documentation and video/photographic evidence with full disclosure of conditions its just a statement.

 

[MrDRC]

Aside from EU regulations and LOS arguments, I find it noteworthy that:

DJI claims the T601 does not exist.

DJI claims to a customer the difference in power output between T601 and T600 will be "fixed" in a coming FW update

DJI has throughly scrubbed and reference to "T601" from their website and wiki.

Customers have in their possession models labeled T601.

Customer tests with T601 and T600 on FW 1.4 show a demonstrable difference in power output and signal penetration.

I've asked DJI council Brendan Schulman for comment but haven't heard anything back yet.

I would be shocked in DJI's council gave you any decent commentary because of his attorney client privilege. If he does, yee haw!

You can add the inconsistent packaging and labeling to the other noteworthy items. The 2 T-600's I received had completely different labeling schemes including different date codes and locations of the labels/stickers on the case and the exterior black shipping band around the case. Its also confirmed that B&H has many with inconsistent labeling and different date codes. B&H has also changed their website twice including one recently that identifies the V2 a T-600 and lists the db output. It was not part of their product description a couple weeks ago but its now prominent. Now we hear they are creating separate SKU's but I haven't seen it.

I've not seen DJI claim the 601 doesn't exist because their have referred to the FCC ID 1510 all over their own forums and FCC ID 1510 is a 601. The only thing I have seen publicly is the ridiculous claim 1410 and 1510 are the exact same aircraft with different stickers.

 

[Mad_angler1]

Bingo! I've also been searching for true A/B testing but anecdotal accounts like these need documentation of all flight parameters. Further, there should be some visual evidence to back up their test results. It wouldn't surprise me if their tests results are accurate but without complete documentation and video/photographic evidence with full disclosure of conditions its just a statement.

Yea as I posted earlier with out being able to measure the digital signal quality it's very difficult to say how much better it will be

Straight power is not that important in a digital system, your looking at carrier to noise ratio and bit error rate of the signal to establish the quality of the data received.

One thing will be if DJI state a different PN for the radio/FC of the inspire with the 1510 in a few months, sadly as they don't sell parts only a dealer would be able to confirm of there are 2 versions.

Another would be an actual tear down of a 1510 unit, plenty of pictures of existing units around.

 

[MrDRC]

Yea as I posted earlier with out being able to measure the digital signal quality it's very difficult to say how much better it will be

Straight power is not that important in a digital system, your looking at carrier to noise ratio and bit error rate of the signal to establish the quality of the data received.

One thing will be if DJI state a different PN for the radio/FC of the inspire with the 1510 in a few months, sadly as they don't sell parts only a dealer would be able to confirm of there are 2 versions.

Another would be an actual tear down of a 1510 unit, plenty of pictures of existing units around.

See, all this is difficult to measure because of the variables in wireless transmission, especially the type of signal format (Is DJI's implementation of OFDM proprietary?). Amplification, modulation, demodulation and AC/DC converters are also in the signal chain. I know a lot more about QAM and PSK but these multiple overlapping digital streams are somewhat foreign to me and certainly not in the realm of my "wired" electronic world and hobbyist background. SNR is analogue after demodulation right? Given that, how in the heck do you measure modulated digital CNR? For that matter how do you measure bit error on a wireless signal? Sheesh...what a task.

PS: Im not tearing down my 1510...at least not yet.